Refugees In Jesus

Here is my question.
Does this sound familiar to ANYONE at all?
have any of you EVER heard some Christian say this?

Have any of you support or denial of this statement?




I have personally known many a Christian, including myself, has thought this, spoken this and found the "old Testament" to be very evident of this as-matter-of-fact. The God of the Old Testament seems so angry all the time.


I want any of you to respond to this statement alone, first.
I will be back in a little time to reply more, but I want the regulars to reply to this quote first. You have the web link and his name.

Now a joke..

now.. a joke.

You know, the God of the Old Testament, He was so angry. He was always causing war and killing and exile and was just never truly happy. But one day, He had a son and that really helped mellow Him out. Then he became more loving and more accessible.



you might have heard this joke said a few other ways.
The message is still the same. Buying dippers makes any hard-case a little softer.

It's an easy thing for people to think, Thomas, as long as they remain basically biblically illiterate.

But when one immerses himself in the scriptures and learns from the Holy Spirit, one discovers from the very beginning the God who is by his very nature LOVE.

It is only ignorance of what the Bible really says that makes people think, almost, that there are two gods, one a god of war and one of love; or, in the more usual instance, that God changed in the NT and became more loving and gracious. That is totally false.

Marcion was a heretic! He dismissed all of the Scriptures except for the Epistles of Paul. He kept 10 of the Epstles and made the 10 the entire Bible.

The thng is, that for people who do know Adonai and search the Scriptures, they will find caring GOD. Even when He is angry with us, He still shows us mercy.

Examples later...lunch is over.

Yes, mercy upon mercy! Mercy beyond comprehension! How marvelous and gracious He is to us!

None of you even once checked out the link I gave, did you?


Is not the orgins of traditionally held Gentile Christian beliefs interesting to ANY of you? Did anyone notice what elena had said? Seems not, for there is no response to what she said, no stimulus linking what I said, I know I have spoken that statement and herd others commonly speak it. It is engrained into Christian theology and religiousity.

WHO IS THE AUTHOR?
SATAN!

proof is in the author-

HERE is the link to the Original Site posted:
ECHAD: ONE Composite Untiy

http://eocu.invisionplus.net/?mforum=eo ... &#entry646




http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/MAL_MAR/MARCION.html

In this, Marcion is quoted refering to Aodnai Creator as Demiurge. This is not an insignificant term, here is the Wickapedia definition. Note the significance within Gnostic and Philosophy, but the normativeness within everyday life.

OH MY GOD!!!!!

As a matter of fact, I did.
Yes, of course. My response under her post is a direct response to hers, Thomas.

You paint with a very "broad brush" Thomas, and sweeping generalizations.

The Believer rejects such error as Marcion and the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox and early church fathers made because it is contrary to the Word of God.


True Christian Theology is based solely upon the Word of God and will stand against such error as Pauline (Ultra)Dispensationalism, Replacement Theology, Gnosticiam, Mosaic Legalism, and cultic heresy.

Quote:

I know I have spoken that statement and herd others commonly speak it. It is engrained into Christian theology and religiousity.




Anyone who would say such a thing is in error and does not comprehend the Word of God. It is NOT part of the basic tenants of the Christian faith, and has no part in the Body of Christ.

A. The Scriptures

We believe that the Scriptures, both Old and New Testaments, are the
inspired Word of God and are therefore without error in the original writings.
We further believe that this inspiration is not in different degrees, but extends
equally and fully to all parts of the Bible: historical, poetical, doctrinal and
prophetical. We, therefore, believe in the absolute authority of the Bible in all
matters of faith and practice. John 10:35; II Timothy 3:16, 17; II Peter 1:21.

B. The True God

We believe in one living and true God who is the Creator of heaven and earth;
who is eternal, almighty, unchangeable, infinitely powerful, wise, just and
holy.

We believe that the one God eternally exists in three Persons: the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit; and that these three are one God, co-equal and
co-eternal, having precisely the same nature and attributes, and worthy of
precisely the same worship, confidence, and obedience. Matthew 3:16, 17;
Matthew 28:19, 20; Mark 12:29; John 1:14; Acts 5:3, 4; II Corinthians 13:14.

Is everybody aware that Marcion is the person who divided the "New" testament from the "Old" testament? Before him, it was all ONE. There weren't two testaments in the Holy Bible.

There were not any sections of old or new, and there was not any separation page before the Gospel of Matthew. Marcion's actions have had ramifications that have reached into today.

Apparently not everything that Marcion did was rejected.

PS I am all for true Christian theology. No true Christian hates the Jewish people or Israel.

Yes, since this is a thread involves Marcion and the development of the NT canon, this is in topic.

BTW: the topic is discuss the GOD of the OT and the God of the NT.

And this statement from the initial post is true. The majority of Christians that I personally know, Baptists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, and even nondenominaltional among others, have mentioned this as a generally accepted statement when we discuss the Holy Scriptures. I even heard this on Christian radio. The author of the statement is never revealed.

Let us DISCUSS THIS and not merely achknowledge that it is here, on the board, real, part of our lives. This will not go away and St Augustine would agree with this statement. he wrote the most respected gentile Catholic Christian apology, The City of God. I am reading the very same ideas in his book. I have heard this taught. I was taught to believe this.

We either have an issue here that needs discussing or we have a MAJOR percent of the Gentile Church that are NOT TRUE Christians, according to Drew's statement.

We have much to discuss here.
St Augustine Book 18. Statement number 46
anyone want to look? http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/120118.htm

Gary, thank you for looking and responding. I did not regonsize your post as being a response to Elena nor did you make any mention you read. Why not?

We have a major issue here that I am not allowing to die.

HAS ANYONE else ever heard statements similar to those made by Marcion?
Both myself and Elena have.



Does anyone believe that ?
How does the title separation of "OLD" and "NEW" affect how someone engages the items labeled Old and New?

WHY is this even a question?

WHY this the question?




NOTE the context of National verses Individual.
NOTE the contrast of unapproachable high lifted up God to Father God, assuming Isra'el is not familiar with God as Abba. "Seeming to focus on.."
These are normative. WHY?..