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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:06 pm 
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This past week on the news, there was a report of how the pyramids in Egypt were built by Egyptians, and they were paid for their services. :rofl :lol: Were they paid union scale?

That report does not agree with GOD's word. This is a perfect reason to go back to the Book of Exodus in the Holy Scriptures, again. You do not have to ask what I believe. You already know. The Exodus did happen, and it happened by means of the hand of GOD. The wilderness is where GOD again manifested His Shechinah, His divine glory.

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The Complete Jewish Bible Exodus (Sh'mot) 13:21-22
13:21 ADONAI went ahead of them in a column of cloud during the daytime to lead them on their way, and at night in a column of fire to give them light; thus they could travel both by day and by night. 13:22 Neither the column of cloud by day nor the column of fire at night went away from in front of the people.
For 40 years, the cloud and the fire remained with the Hebrews. Let's look at Mount Sinai.
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Exodus 24:15-18
15 Then Moses went up to the mountain, and the cloud covered the mountain. 16 The glory of the LORD rested on Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it for six days; and on the seventh day He called to Moses from the midst of the cloud. 17 And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top. 18 Moses entered the midst of the cloud as he went up to the mountain; and Moses was on the mountain forty days and forty nights.
Is this saying that when Moses entered the cloud, "the sons of Israel" saw him enter a consuming fire? :wow There was a time when the fire and the cloud combined into one, where the Egyptian army had darkness in a cloud. That same pillar had the light of fire on the opposite side.
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Exodus 14:19 KJV
19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them: 20 And it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel; and it was a cloud and darkness [to them], but it gave light by night [to these]: so that the one came not near the other all the night.

Nehemiah Neh 9:18-19 KJV
18 Yea, when they had made them a molten calf, and said, This [is] thy God that brought thee up out of Egypt, and had wrought great provocations; 19 Yet thou in thy manifold mercies forsookest them not in the wilderness: the pillar of the cloud departed not from them by day, to lead them in the way; neither the pillar of fire by night, to shew them light, and the way wherein they should go.

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Num 9:15 NASB Now on the day that the tabernacle was erected the cloud covered the tabernacle, the tent of the testimony, and in the evening it was like the appearance of fire over the tabernacle, until morning. 16 So it was continuously; the cloud would cover it {by day,} and the appearance of fire by night. 17 Whenever the cloud was lifted from over the tent, afterward the sons of Israel would then set out; and in the place where the cloud settled down, there the sons of Israel would camp.
18 At the command of the LORD the sons of Israel would set out, and at the command of the LORD they would camp; as long as the cloud settled over the tabernacle, they remained camped. 19 Even when the cloud lingered over the tabernacle for many days, the sons of Israel would keep the LORD'S charge and not set out. 20 If sometimes the cloud remained a few days over the tabernacle, according to the command of the LORD they remained camped. Then according to the command of the LORD they set out. 21 If sometimes the cloud remained from evening until morning, when the cloud was lifted in the morning, they would move out; or {if it remained} in the daytime and at night, whenever the cloud was lifted, they would set out.
22 Whether it was two days or a month or a year that the cloud lingered over the tabernacle, staying above it, the sons of Israel remained camped and did not set out; but when it was lifted, they did set out. 23 At the command of the LORD they camped, and at the command of the LORD they set out; they kept the LORD'S charge, according to the command of the LORD through Moses.


These Scriptures refer to the past. There are also Scriptures about the Shechinah glory in the days of Yeshua (Jesus) and in the future Jerusalem.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:33 pm 
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Just as the glory of GOD appeared to Moses in the burning bush, He also showed His glory to the shepherds in the fields the night Yeshua was born in Bethlehem in Luke 2.
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Luke 2 2:8-11 NASB
8 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. 9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. 10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Can we all agree that the Shechinah glory was shown through Yeshua at the transfiguration on the mount? Mathew, Mark Luke and Peter all give reference to this event.

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Matthew 17:1-3 NASB
1 Six days later Jesus *took with Him Peter and James and John his brother, and *led them up on a high mountain by themselves. 2 And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light. 3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.

Mark 9 2-4 NASB
2 Six days later, Jesus *took with Him Peter and James and John, and *brought them up on a high mountain by themselves. And He was transfigured before them; 3 and His garments became radiant and exceedingly white, as no launderer on earth can whiten them. 4 Elijah appeared to them along with Moses; and they were talking with Jesus.

Luke 9:28-31 NASB
28 Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray. 29 And while He was praying, the appearance of His face became different, and His clothing {became} white {and} gleaming. 30 And behold, two men were talking with Him; and they were Moses and Elijah, 31 who, appearing in glory, were speaking of His departure which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem.

2 Peter 1:16-18 For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17 For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"--
18 and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.


This is just a taste of GOD's glory in the Renewed Covenant, also called the New Testament.

According to the prophets, the Shechinah glory will also be present in Jerusalem, the city where GOD's Name dwells.

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This past week on the news, there was a report of how the pyramids in Egypt were built by Egyptians, and they were paid for their services....
That report does not agree with GOD's word.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Scripture doesn't say Israel built the pyramids; it says they were slaves in Egypt and were forced to make bricks. While it is popular to believe they built the pyramids, they were most likely put to work on less "glorious" projects (the pyramids used stone while the many cities which Ramses was building at the time were mostly mud brick).

I've read the news articles on this by Reuters, Bloomberg, the BBC, and a few others. They don't claim Israel was not enslaved by Egypt, and unless I'm missing something,they don't deny scripture. Some may indeed use this to claim Israel was not enslaved in Egypt, but the news articles I've read do not. Did I miss something?

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Hmm. :scratch Talk about running into a brick wall. According to the Jewish Virtual Library, there are no accounts of the Hebrews in Egypt. There is a little in Jewish history, but not about bricks or pyramids.

I had forgotten about a minister who led a tourist group to Egypt about 20 years ago, seeking information on Rameses (sp) II. Egypt supposedly had denied his existence. The tour group could not find anything, until the minister had to retrieve a young member of his tour from an location that was fenced in and no tourists were allowed. He said that he found the name of Rameses II on a tile in the locked and guarded enclosure. :dunno Then the guards quickly escorted him and the boy out.

If the Bible did not recount the story of Joseph, the son of Jacob, in Egypt, and Jacob's family move to Egypt, and the Exodus of the Hebrews from Egypt, we would not know that they had been enslaved in Egypt at all.

After this, I am not surprised you could not find anything, Dan.

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